Thursday, April 16, 2009

Some Like It Hoth


I SEE DEAD PEOPLE

This is the first episode to focus on one of the members of the freighter team. Also it doesn’t contain a “previously on LOST” blurb at the beginning of the episode either. The first thing we can do is count how many times we see some familiar numbers show up in the episode. There’s 3:16 on the microwave, that’s one. The woman looked familiar to me but for some reason I didn’t recall her as being Miles’ mother even though I knew it was going to be a Miles flashback. Did anyone not know that the boy was Miles until after the woman called his name? The door Miles goes to is number 4. 4 is considered a bad luck number in Japan, Korea and China, as it is a homonym for the word "death" in Japanese, Korean and Chinese. On the rabbit statue there is a number 8 on the ear. I thought I knew what Miles’ ability was but this scene confused me a little. Did Miles know the man was inside the room dead because he could see through the door because it looked like they tried to show he could or was it just a voice coming from behind the door and we were shown what was inside before Miles went in? When Miles freaks out and says that the man is still talking to him you had to feel bad for the kid.



I SEE GOTH PEOPLE

Yes, I’m doing the new recap format for this episode so we will continue with the flashback parts. A very pierced (somebody actually counted and they say that Miles had 15 piercings in his ears and face) and very Goth looking Miles shows up years later at his mothers’ house. Miles' spiky hair with a white line through it resembles Rufio, the leader of the Lost Boys from the movie Hook. Miles’ mother has a nurse and doesn’t look very good. She would appear to be dying of some sort of cancer if I had to offer a guess because it seems that she is showing signs of having had radiation treatments. Or is it radiation that is killing her? Where would she have gotten that? Oh yeah, that's right. Miles wants to know why he is the way he is and he asks about his father. His mother tells him that his father never cared about him and that he kicked them out when Miles was still a baby. She also tells him that his father is dead and his body is somewhere Miles can never go. They made it fairly obvious where this story was going didn’t they? There are some that say it is possible that Miles' mother was already dead in this scene and he was talking to her corpse. That would explain the respirator and the IVs that were in the room but not hooked up to her. The other side of the theory is she was disconnected from them and was about to die and that is why they are not being used but still in the room.


I SEE DUMB PEOPLE
Miles, a few years after his visit with his mother is now making money with his ability. A man asks him to contact his son to see if his son knew that he loved him. Miles tells the man that he needs a body to do what he does. Then he tells the man that it will cost double what he said because the boys body was cremated. We’ve seen this side of Miles before. He likes to charge double for his help it seems. Miles takes the man’s hands into his own and a few seconds later tells the man that his son did know he loved him and he leaves. I didn’t believe Miles for a second, did you? Naomi shows up and introduces herself to Miles and says that he is being recruited by her boss to work on a job with her. In "The Economist" Miles said that he first met Naomi on the boat, while in this episode she is seen recruiting him prior to the expedition. It is possible he simply lied about it or is it just a simple error?


I SEE GREEDY PEOPLE

Naomi takes Miles to a restaurant were there is a body back in the kitchen. She tells him that this is his audition and he is to tell her all he can about the dead man. This time we see that Miles really is getting some messages from the body. The man was carrying pictures of empty graves and a purchase order for an old plane to Charles Widmore. Are these the same pictures that Tom Friendly showed Michael? If so, we know how the man died and is it in fact Widmore who really did make the fake plane crash? Or is it possible Widmore thought Ben was behind it and he was getting proof but the man was killed before delivering the evidence. It's possible neither was behind it and the new player in the game (The New DI) is behind the graves and the fake plane crash site. After the audition, Miles turns down the job but quickly changes his mind when Naomi tells him he will be paid 1.6 (16 another of the numbers) million dollars to do the job. Now a quick word on this; I don’t think that Widmore ever intended to pay anyone 1.6 million dollars. I think that he figured Miles and whoever else would be quite expendable and would never make it back in order to claim the money. Of course I could be wrong and Miles was paid up front, after all Widmore certainly seems like he would have that much lying around anyway.



I SEE … A TUNA TACO? WAIT … WHA? REALLY?

Miles is grabbed and thrown into a van. The guy who talks to Miles is Bram, the dude on the island with Illana in 2007 or whenever it is. Bram tells Miles he is being watched and they know he works for Charles Widmore who Miles says he doesn’t know. Miles says he doesn’t know what lies in the shadow of the statute and Bram tells him he is not ready to go to the island. Bram tells Miles that if he goes with them he will get all the answers he is looking for: who he is, why he has a gift, and he will know about his father. All of that will be answered if Miles doesn’t get on the freighter. Miles tells Bram that he doesn’t care about his father that all he cares about is money and for 3.2 (23 backwards) million he will not go on the boat. Bram tells him they aren’t going to pay him anything and then tells the rest of the goons to toss Miles out of the van. Bram leaves as he tells Miles that he is on the wrong team and that Bram is on the team that is going to win. So if they wanted Miles to not get on the freighter why didn’t they just keep him for however long it would have taken for him to miss the freighter? Many have theorized this is part of the people needing to want to do something (like Jack wanting to operate on Ben’s back tumor) and not being forced to do something. Here’s my thoughts real quick on who these people are; Bram is one of the new and improved Dharma Initiative members. If you remember I posted a video several months ago before the new season began featuring Pierre Chang calling for the Dharma Initiative to be reformulated. I think they have been and this is where we are headed.



I SEE DUMB PEOPLE REVISITED
Miles returns to the man who wanted to know if his son knew he loved him. Miles gives him his money back and tells him he wasn’t able to communicate with is son. The man says he would have rather not known Miles had lied. Miles tells him it would not have been fair to his son and that if he wanted his son to know he loved him he should have made sure to tell him when he was alive. Seems like Miles does have some Daddy issues. The fact that Miles gives the man his money back, something he tells Bram that is all he cares about but tells the man about loving his son shows he does care about his past and how his father fits into it. I don’t think Miles knew the island was where he would find his family history or see his father but it seemed to show that lack of a fatherly influence was something that Miles did indeed carry with him no matter how much he claimed to be the opposite.



SEX, LIES, AND VIDEOTAPES

OK, maybe just lies and videotapes. The Sports Illustrated cover that Miles is reading states: "After 23 (#) years ...NEW BOSS IN L.A." Sawyer calls Miles and tells him to find the tapes from the monitors and erase them to cover Kate and his tracks. Watch Sawyer reset the sonic fence before going through it but remember I pointed out he didn’t reset it when they went through back in “Whatever Happened, Happened”. Ha, hey TPTB, what’s up with that? Pretty small detail I guess really but still they are getting sloppy. Monitor 4 (#) is the tape Miles is to erase, the same number of the room where he found the dead guy when he was a child. Sawyer tells Kate to go back to the infirmary and see Juliette. Sawyer reminds Kate that he is head of security. Something that may not carry much weight before long. Horace enters the security office and tells Miles that he has an important errand for him to do. Miles is brought into “the circle of trust”. Miles is to go to sector 334 and give something to Radzinski and wait for Radzinski to give him something back. Miles questions the sector as they are not supposed to be in sector 334. Miles leaves without taking the tape.



CALL ME THE DEAD BODY MAN

Miles finds Radzinski who doesn’t seem to be as impressed with Miles being in the “circle of trust” as Miles is impressed with being in it. Turns out it is a body bag Miles gives to Radzinski and sure enough, Radzinski and his Dharma buddies fill it up. Radzinski tells Miles that the man had an accident, more specifically he fell into a ditch. Miles asks if the body has a bullet wound. Miles is fast becoming a big favorite of mine, contrary to a lot of other peoples feelings on him. “The ditch had a gun?” is one of the best lines of the episode. After Radzinski and his cronies put the body in the van and go back into the jungle, Miles does his Ghost Whisperer act. So, we now know the Swan hatch was in hostile territory. That is a big piece of information that we never knew before.


ROAD TO SINGAPORE
Miles returns to the security center and Horace is on the phone with Pierre Chang. He tells Chang “if it was caused by the electromagnetism, we need to know”. Horace gives Miles his next task which is to take the body to the Orchid for Chang to see. Miles doesn’t want to do it. Hurley is putting coolers into the van that contain lunch for the workers at the Orchid. Uh, garlic mayo? That’s either really good or really bad. The Hurley/Miles traveling road show is about to take off for parts unknown. Hurley tells Miles they can carpool to help stop global warming which hasn't started yet. Al Gore would be proud and I knew this episode was gonna be funny last week when I saw the previews.


THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM
Kate makes it back to the infirmary right before Roger gets there. He wants to know where his son is and at first thinks he is dead. Juliette tells him that she left the room for ten minutes and doesn’t know what happened to Ben. Roger bolts from the room as he tells Juliette he is going to go to security. Juliette looks at Kate and comments; “Well, here we go.”. Listen for the big wet splat noise that is sure to be coming soon when the shit hits the fan.


SIR, HOW DARE YOU FART BEFORE MY WIFE. I’M SORRY I DIDN’T KNOW IT WAS HER TURN.

As the Dharma van rolls on “It never rains in southern California” plays on the radio. Hurley wants to know how to spell bounty hunter and instantly I wondered how Hurley knew about Illana. One of the funniest scenes of the episode. Hurley smells something foul and thinks it was Miles. Miles tells him it could be his sandwiches. Miles pulls over so Hurley can check on the food. Hurley finds the body bag and the body. Miles tells Hurley about the corpse. Alvarez was digging a hole when he felt a sharp pain in his mouth. The pain was from a filling in his tooth being yanked out and then it was blown through his brain. Hurley asks Miles how he knows all of this. Hurley asks Miles if he can talk to dead people like he can.

Back in Dharma Ville, Roger is on the swing drinking away his troubles. Kate walks up and tries to comfort him but makes it a little too obvious she knows more than she should. Roger tells Kate she should mind her own business. When will Kate learn?


ROAD TO ZANZIBAR

Hurley and Miles continue their discussion about communicating with dead people. Miles tells Hurley that talking to the dead, having conversations with them, playing chess with them like Hurley does is not how “it” works. Hurley jumps all over this and then goes on to tell Miles that he is jealous that his power is better than Miles’ power. They arrive at the Orchid and Chang is not happy to see Hurley with Miles. Hurley tells Chang that he won’t say anything about the body. “If you wanna keep a secret, don’t tell the fat guy!”, remember that? Chang warns Hurley that he will be on the Hydra island weighing turds for their silly experiments if he says anything about the body. See even Chang admits most of the Dharma experiments are silly. Remember the tube that the Pearl people had to send their little notebooks up? Hurley says that Chang is a douche. Miles says that douche is his father. Was anyone surprised by this fact at this point? Hurley asks Miles about his dad. Miles says he doesn’t want to talk about it. Hurley comments that if Miles didn’t want to talk about it he wouldn’t have brought it up. Hurley’s right about that one. Miles tells Hurley that his first clue that Chang was his father happened on the third day he was in the DI. Miles says his mother was in line behind him at the cafeteria. Chang comes back and says that Miles it to take him to see Radzinski. Miles asks about the body and Chang asks; “What body?” Is that a Geiger counter in Chang’s hand or is he just happy to see us?


DR. JECKYL AND MR. LINUS

Jack realizes real quick that Dharma erasers suck and that Roger Linus is a dick when he is drunk. Egyptian history and hieroglyphics are on the chalk board. Roger tells Jack to get out and then kicks the bucket. For once kicking the bucket means just that; actually kicking a bucket. Roger is not very likeable when he is drunk but is sort of ok when he is sober. We get that point! Jack can relate I guess. Roger questions Jack about knowing Kate. He believes that Kate had something to do with Ben’s disappearance. Jack tries to cover for Kate. He tells Roger that he knows Kate and she wouldn’t do anything to hurt his son. His explanation to Roger actually made Jack look guilty instead of helping clear Kate because I don’t think Roger has changed his feelings about Kate one bit.


ROAD TO UTOPIA

Hurley questions Chang about the Orchid station, his family, and his musical interests. Miles knows what he is doing. Hurley is so smooth and subtle. Not! Chang says his wife is a fan of Miles Davis but he likes country which explains why he listened to Shotgun Willie. When Miles says that he and Chang don’t run in the same circles, Chang says he is unaware that there are circles that people ran around in. This tells me that Chang has been a good father and husband. It would seem that he has no knowledge of the social scene on the island. Chang would of course know about the circle of trust I assume. Chang tells Miles to stop and he gets out of the van and opens a camouflaged fence. Is that really supposed to fool anyone? Hurley sees the workers putting the numbers onto the hatch door and he knows they are building the Swan station. Hurley gives Miles a quick history lesson on the Swan hatch. Hurley continues to push the envelope as far as Miles and his father is concerned. Miles still balks at the idea and steals Hurley’s notebook. Hurley had been writing Empire Strikes Back. Guess the bounty hunter he mentioned earlier in the episode was Boba Fet.


ANYBODY UP FOR SOME DIKE FINGERING?

Sawyer returns home and tells Juliette he feels like the little Dutch boy trying to stick his finger in the oh, hey Jack, how’s it going? Jack tells Sawyer about Roger Linus and his suspicions about Kate. Jack leaves and Sawyer thanks him for the heads up. Vozzek69 sums up this scene the best and I quote:

“Jack helps Sawyer out this scene with some vital information, letting him know that he's still got his back. Sawyer shows genuine appreciation of Jack's help, too. This was good to see, because both of them are powerhouse LOST characters from the shows inception. They've also always been out of sync with each other: as one of their stars is rising, the other one seems destined to fall. Just as Jack and Locke argue Science and Faith, Jack and Sawyer's power and popularity are stuck in their own kind of Ying-Yang balance, going all the way back to supremacy of the ping-pong table and ending with the battle for Kate's panties. I for one am looking forward to them forming the dream-team again, both finally getting back on the same side like they did when they kicked some Other ass a few seasons ago. Each of them are good, but together they're worth more than the sum of their individual parts. I think we're all ready to see another 815 rally, and I hope it comes soon. And maybe somewhere along the lines, someone should mention to Juliet that she's wearing a red shirt.”

Phil is next up and tells “Jim” that they need to see him in the office as there has been a new development. Phil shows Sawyer the video tape and says he knows it was him that took Ben. Phil tells Sawyer that he has not told Horace about it yet and thought he deserved a chance to explain himself. He tells Sawyer he gives him the benefit of the doubt. BITCH SLAP! Or maybe it was a punch, but it sounded like Phil was taken down with an open hand. “Get some rope”, Sawyer tells Juliette. Ok, I gotta say I think this was a huge mistake on Sawyer’s part. I think Phil could have been taken into Sawyer’s “circle of trust” if he had tried. He had just said he deserved the benefit of the doubt so he was open for an explanation. I think Sawyer could have handled this an entirely different way and came out better for it. Only time will tell.


STRANDED ALL ALONE IN THE GAS STATION OF LOVE AND I HAVE TO USE THE SELF SERVICE PUMP

Hurley just won’t let the Miles and his father topic go. This time he has taken the simpatico approach telling Miles about his relationship with his own father. Hurley compares Miles to Luke Skywalker. Hurley says that Luke overreacts and ends up getting his hand cut off. Will Chang overreact and get his hand cut off? Hurley actually does get through to Miles, somehow, even though I don’t think the Ewoks sucked. That’s one of the first things I have ever disagreed with Hurley on. Miles walks past Chang’s house and he sees that his mother was wrong. It doesn’t seem that Pierre didn’t care about his son at all. He seems to be caring for him fairly well. Reading to him (a book about polar bears no less!), kissing him, even smiling which it seems is not something Chang does very often. Miles is touched by this and begins to walk away as Chang comes outside and says “Miles I need you.”. For a second Miles was Changs’ son and acted as such when he turned towards Chang and asked “You do?”. The child from the beginning of the episode came back for a few seconds as Miles did get some of his answers regardless of what Bram told him. Or his mother for that matter. Chang tells Miles they are to go to the dock to pick up some scientists that are arriving from Ann Arbor. We see Daniel Faraday getting out of the sub and Miles is surprised to see him. Dan sees Miles and says “Long time no see”. For a second I thought that maybe Dan was going to look at Miles and say; “I’m sorry do I know you?”. Since it seems that Dan has been off of the island, is it possible that he is the one that invented the pendulum at the Lamp Post station that was used to find the island? Also notice that Dan, when we last saw him, was an emotional mess. Right after Charlotte died he fell apart. Sawyer told Jack a few episodes ago that Dan was not with them anymore. Has he been gone for almost three years? Whatever he has been doing in the time he has been gone, one thing is for sure, this is a different Dan than the one we last saw. He looks confident, almost seemed a little bit cocky even. Perhaps while he was gone he found out his statement “Whatever happened, happened” isn’t as accurate as he once thought and he is back to save them and Charlotte as well. Especially when you consider the next episode is called “The Variable”. A little bit of info about that - TPTB described The Constant as being a bunch of pebbles in a stream. They are there but they don’t disrupt the flow of the stream. The Variable, however is described as something large being placed into the stream and not necessarily stopping the flow but definitely changing the course of it. Sounds like a change is gonna come!


FINAL THOUGHTS

First of all I don’t think Chang kicked his wife and baby off of the island because he was a horrible person. He got them off of the island the only way he knew he could. He had to make his wife think he hated them in order to get them to safety. It ended up hurting less for him and he felt it would be more successful than to tell her the truth. Maybe his wife wouldn’t have left if she knew the truth. It was a sacrificial act not a selfish one that ended up sending Miles and his mother away from the island.

In case you are wondering, the episode title is also a reference to the movie Some Like It Hot. In the movie, the two main characters are a comedic duo and witness a mob murder - The Saint Valentine's Day Massacre. This is similar to Miles and Hurley's situation when they become aware of the death of Alvarez. In the movie, the two main characters disguise themselves to avoid retribution from the mob after witnessing the murder just as Miles and Hurley continue to conceal their true identities from the DHARMA Initiative to protect themselves. They best not be dressing up as women anytime soon though.

OR - Since we are always talking Egyptian Mythology and it was seen on the blackboard, consider this for a minute: "Some Like I, Thoth" as in The Book of Thoth, the book buried in the City of the Dead. Thoth's role as mediator is well-documented. It is he who questions the souls of the dead about their deeds in life before their heart is weighed against the feather of Maat. He is the great counselor and the other gods frequently went to him for advice. Just puttin’ it out there and thanks to Lostpedia.org for that.

Something else pointed out by Vozzek69 is that it is sweet irony that Radzinsky is overseeing the digging of the Swan Station. He is actually digging his own grave.

Super props to Lostpedia and DarkUFO for the screen caps as well.

No episode next week. Oh the withdraws!!

16 comments:

Cerpts said...

Naturally, as you say, I knew that the little boy was Miles since I recognized the actress who played Marvin Candle's wife in that flashback a while ago when he wakes up to feed the baby and the Willie Nelson record skips. I also at that time said that the baby had to be Miles. If you don't remember I'm sure Finkmaster Flash will corroborate. At the time I also said that Miles being Dr. Candle's son would explain why Miles nose began bleeding before Juliet's and after Charlotte's; he must have been on the island before and being Candle's kid would make the most sense. The name Miles Straum (being a play on the word "maelstrom") was obviously a pseudonym.

I just assumed it was Miles' "talking to dead people" ability that lead him to go into the door and find the dead guy. Could this have been the first time the power manifested itself in the boy? Either way, you're quite right in saying you gotta feel sorry for the boy.

I completely missed the fact that Miles' mother's IVs etc. were not hooked up and never thought that he might be talking to her corpse. Now that you say it, that seems like a good possibility. There's no reason why TPTB wouldn't stage the scene from Miles' point of view talking to corpses for a change. However, one thing that makes me think it ISN'T true is how Miles later in the episode explains to Hurley that "talking to dead people" doesn't quite work like a conversation since their brains are dead and there's no "thoughts" happening; he just knows what they knew before they died. This would make the scene where he's talking to his mother not jive with that explanation if she in fact WAS a corpse. So she was probably still alive but dying.

Regarding Miles saying he first met Naomi on the boat: I don't remember who he told that to but we already knew that wasn't the fact technically since we see him eating the orange on the dock nearby Naomi when "Kevin Johnson" shows up and signs in. It seems reasonable to assume that, since Miles is already there eating an orange on the dock a few paces away from where Naomi is standing, that they MUST have met before they were on the boat. Since...well, they're not on the boat they're on the dock NEAR the boat. Semantics but it's the truth, dammit! And we've already seen that Miles doesn't have a problem with lying.

Your whole thing about the "new" Dharma Initiative brought something to mind. Hasn't it been acknowledged all along that there MUST be a "current" existing Dharma Initiative because they were making monthly food and supply drops to Desmond in the hatch - one of these drops we actually saw happen when the 815ers were rooting through a parachute-dropped pallet? It contained new jugs of Dharma Ranch Dressing and Dharma Oreos and everything else so, since the food was fresh and was still being dropped on a monthly basis (as I believe Desmond explained at some point when asked where all his supplies were coming from) this would have to mean that the DI was still in existence.

Just as I immediately recognized the actress who played Miles' mother, I also immediately recognized Bram as one of the three who were "in it with" Ilana on the island. I was so disappointed that they almost immediately pointed it out and I didn't have a chance to be clever and say I noticed it!

I agree that there MUST be some sort of "you've gotta wanna" thing going on which precluded the "vannies" (like that one?) from simply detaining Miles so he couldn't be on the freighter. As you so rightly point out with Jack operating on Ben, for some reason in this show. . .you gotta WANNA.

Although Miles has repeated stated he's "all about the benjamins", giving the money back to the Daddy of the dead football player isn't the first time we've seen Miles has some sort of morality/principles/whatever you wanna call it. In that episode where we meet all 4 "good" freighter folk, I seem to recall that Miles gave the grandmother back the money she paid him to speak to her grandson. Granted, he found the money the dead grandson had hidden in the wall but ... well, a REAL bastard would've kept that money AND the grandmother's money too. So Miles ain't ALL bad. And hey, he works well with Sawyer as his sidekick for three years. That's gotta count for something.

What's the deal with the Sports Illustrated cover??? What "new boss" took over what in 1977 L.A.? What's it mean, wax bean?

HA! An ICP subtitle. You da man.

Whattaya mean? Do people not like Miles??? I've always really liked him; probably because he's a pissy poop like me. Also because he was like "another Sawyer" (as Josh Holloway says in the special features on LOST SEASON 4's dvd). How can people not like him? Especially now...and after his newly minted comedy pairing with Hurley producing some of the funniest stuff lately.

Oh, but I think we also always new the Swan hatch was in hostile territory. During one of the "time blips" when Desmond knocks on the hatch door, Desmond comes out in his "hazmat" Dharma suit with shotgun pointed. This isn't the behaviour of somebody living in Disneyland. Of course, Desmond not being one of the Others puts a different slant on what "hostile territory" means, dunnit bruthah.

Ha ha. You keep calling Pierre Change Pierre Chang. I can't stop calling him Candle. Must be because of all the "waxy" names he's had but I can't get used to the Chang thing.

Um, garlic mayo. In most cases, that would be really good. But it depends what you're using it for, dunnit?

I must agree that Kate on the swing with Roger was a bonehead move. She shoulda just kept on walking and ignored him. After all, he ate up all Napoleon Dynamite's steaks in the past so she shouldn't be nice to him. Taking care of a kid for 3 years has made her soft and muddled her thinking. See what children do!?! They're the work of the devil and I'll have nothing to do with them!!!

Was anybody surprised when Miles said that douche was his dad??? I refer you to the beginning of this lengthy comment.

Speaking of chalkboards, where's Samantha Mathis?!? Ever since she was teaching the Dharma kids in the classroom, I've been waiting for her to return and take her shirt off to the tune of Ivan Neville's "Why Can't I Fall in Love"!!! Hey, I gotta go back and look at that scene and see if there were any Egyptian hieroglyphics on the chalkboard then. My guess would be no.

I don't know about you but does that fact that Ben has Kate's blood coursing through his veins crack you up as much as me? Maybe that's what gave Ben his "soft spot" -- not killing Rousseau and not shooting Penny etc. Kate's blood diluted Ben!

I agree totally with you about Chang probably being a good father and, as you say, not knowing the island's social scene. Chang is obviously strangled by the island's haunted social scene; just a pawn outplayed by a dominating queen. It's four o'clock in the morning, dammit! Listen to Shotgun Willie good! Ahhhh, you didn't realize that LOST had an Elton John connection, did you??? Maybe Pierre Chang is a "brown dirt cowboy" who should really be listening to Elton instead of country so he'd find out about his wife: the "dominating queen". And perhaps he'll need someone to save his life tonight before too much longer!!! By the end of this episode, I totally don't believe Miles' mother's story and frankly suspect her of being in league with Widmore or the Others or somebody else naughty.

Seriously, if "SOMEONE SAVED MY LIFE TONIGHT" makes an appearance on LOST's soundtrack, I'll shit.

Ah, you noticed Sawyer substituting the word "dike" for "doc", aye? Deft writing.

I loved your Vozzek quote and agree with the sentiments about an "815 rally" in the future. Even tho Vozzek DID say "ying yang" in it.

Does anyone realize that Horace's name essentially sounds like "Whore ass"??? Just pointing it out.

Maybe Sawyer's "bitch slap" of Phil WAS a bad idea. But you know you big blue-eyed blondes ain't known for your brains.

Dude, you are SO wrong. The Ewoks sucked. I mean, REALLY sucked. Darth Vader and the whole expansive Empire was brought down by a bunch of teddy bears. Cheapened the entire trilogy and makes the "dark side of the force" seem ridiculous. Hurley's right and youse wrong! But as I said about you big lug blue-eyed blondes........

Yum yuk!

Not only does the sub arriving from Ann Arbor disturb me (meaning that BORDERS is behind all this mess) but I wanna know HOW a submarine can depart from Ann Arbor, Michigan! You're right, Daniel is a lot more confident and not his usual twitchy self in this brief scene. Also, his hair appears a lot longer - almost to the length of his Desmond flashback. Hmmmm. Wasn't Desmond Hume Faraday's "constant"??? What's Daniel done did while he was off island?!?

Maybe the "what's happened happened" thing is indeed variable. Maybe that discrepancy you noticed about Charlotte's birthdate (Ben said it was 1979 while the little redhaired girl Charlie Brown...er...I mean Daniel sees is in 1977) indicates some shifting about that Faraday has done with his sneaky physics stuff.

Your point about Chang sending his wife and kid away for their own safety makes sense. Everything we've seen from Chang indicates that he's a lot sharper on the ball then any of the Dharma Initiative we've seen. Your comment about Chang not taking Dharma's experiments seriously (the polar bear poop), your mention of the pointless notebook ejector into a field, Chang's obvious barely tolerant attitude towards the Dharma workers next to the "magnetic anomaly" when Faraday bumps into him ... all this indicates that Chang suffers these fools less than gladly.

Cheeks DaBelly said...

holy mit your comment is almost as long as the post! It's gonna take me awhile to digest all of your comments and poop out a reply. Wanna weigh it when I'm done?

Cerpts said...

I do more work on YOUR blog than I do on my TWO!!!

Cheeks DaBelly said...

maybe i have to make you a writer on the blog and give you access so you can post.

Cheeks DaBelly said...

Ok I actually had time (like a half hour) to go re-read your comments and share some of my feeling about them.

I am fairly confident that the majority of the viewers of LOST knew Miles was Candles' son. There were some who thought the baby could have been Jin or even Sun but I always stood behind it was Miles. The timing of the years and age seemed to work the best for it to be Miles anyway.

This being the first time that Miles' powers had manifested themselves is a nice thought. Could be right on that one.

I too now believe she was about to die. The "life supposrt" had already been taken away and she was close that was why Miles' apologized for getting there so late.

I always thought there was some type of DI still in existence as well, I just wasn't sure of two things (1) where was the DI and (2) who was in it? how many were in it? and just how capable were they? Apparently they are fairly capable! They should have left Brahm in the van in shadows for most of the scene and then let us see him at the end of the scene. It would have had more of an impact. "Vannies" I like it!

I had actually forgotten about Miles giving the money back to the gradnmother way back in his first flashback. Thanks for reminding me!

Ok, the magazine was Sports Illustrated and it was an issue that was printed in the 70's when Tommy Lasorda first became the manager of the LA Dodgers. That's who the new boss in LA was.

Oh, dude, you didn't know that Miles is currently one of the most hated characters on the show? Since Charlotte died he is the least liked of all the characters returning this season. I have liked his since he came on the show however.

Nope I never knew nor did I think the Swan was in hostile territory. Back when the Swan was an important part of the show I didn't think it mattered but I guess it will matter eventually.

I don't think Samantha Mathis is going to be back in the show however, if you go back and watch the scene from last season I believe is the Man Behind The Curtain episode. It's the one with her in it and the hostiles attack. Well anyway, see if you think the little red haired girl could be a young Charlotte and watch carefully out the window towards the front of the classroom. Do I see Sawyer run by?

I didn't really think about the fact that Kate's blood is in Ben's body. Wow that is an odd thought but perfectly possible.

I wouldn't be so surprised if Someone Saved My Life Tonight showed up on the show. Even without the time travel aspect it is a song that could very well fit in with the show on many levels.

I don't think of him as Whore Ass I think of him as Horus as in "Eye of" and since we are speaking ancient Eguptian gods, how about Ra? Or R.A. which happen to be a certian "guy liner" wearing persons initials.

I'm guessing the sub doesn't come directly from Ann Arbor. I would think that they fly out to the left coast and then they take a sub from there like Juliette did.

I don't know what Dan the man has been doing while off of the island but as far as the date discrepencies are concerned TPTB have said it was indeed a continuity error and nothing more. But that doesn't mean that Dan hasn't been messing with something and causing things to change.

We shall see in a few weeks. Only four hours left of the season not counting next weeks recap show.

Cerpts said...

So it's really Tommy Lasorda who's Jacob?!?

Anybody who doesn't like Miles is a shallow person who lacks imagination. And is a dumb poopy head besides.

And probably has smelly feet as well.

Oh come one. It's not like Samantha Mathis has a CAREER to go to! Sawyer run by?!? Hokey smokey, I gotta go watch that again now.

And SOMEONE SAVED MY LIFE TONIGHT came out only a couple years before 1977 so somebody Dharma buddy must have it next to their turntable.

Richard Alpert. Ra. R.A. Ha, i never thoughta that. You KNOW how those ancient Egyptian's LOVED to wear that eyeliners as well. Kohl anyone??? Already thought of the Horace Horus tho.

No, dude. I'm sure that, if Borders is involved, that damn sub leaves from Ann Arbor and tunnels it's way thru the goddam earth.

If Ben's saying Charlotte was born in 1979 was a simple continuity error, that can easily be fixed in redubbing. Of course, they shoulda already done dat.

Holy schnikeys. Only 4 hours left of the season?!? When LOST goes off the air, then TOP GEAR will take over as the best show on television!

Cerpts said...

But seriously now...what kinda douche doesn't like Miles?!?!?!!!

Cheeks DaBelly said...

lots of people who arent us apparently. now i'm not saying he is disliked like nikki and paolo was hated by around the same way ana lucia was disliked. like i said i like him before LOST he was on The Sopranos and I know you didn't watch that but he was really good on that show as well.

What's Top Gear?

Fink Master Flash said...

Top Gear is only the best show ever! It is a british automotive show. The great thing is you don't have to like cars or anything related to cars to enjoy the show. The three hosts are absolutely hysterical, with Jeremy Clarkson being the most hilarious. They review every kind of car known but they also do these outlandish 'challenges'. If you have Comcast, just go On-Demand and go under BBC and find it in there. I don't have comcast so I dont know the exact way to get to it, Cerpts could tell you that. Seriously though, it is the best show on tv next to LOST.

Yes, Miles is a great character. I like all four of the 'good' freighters. Of the four though, Faraday is easily my favorite. Glad to see him back on the island. Looks like the season will come full circle at some point and we will see exactly why he was in the opening scene of season five checking out the drilling of the frozen donkey wheel.

Two weeks for an episode is bullshit. Oh well, it should be a good one. Intersting title for the show. So it would seem Faraday is the Variable. I still think a key part of this show, or maybe just for his story, will be the scene in season 4 where he is watching the discovery of 815 on his tv and crying for what we are lead to believe is no reason. When it is all said and done I believe that scene will become much clearer. Could that possibly be a scene from the three years he has been off the island??(assuming he took the first sub that juliette wanted to take in 1974)

Cerpts, good thinking on the DI still being around in 2004. That would definitely explain the food drops. Something I think most people have forgotten about.

The Swan being in hostile territory was a surprise to me. It could explain the 'truce' being broken and ultimately leading to the Purge.

Also, slapping Jim was a very bad idea. Does Sawyer perhaps plan to tie him up and kill him and try to make it appear to be a hostile act? Further igniting this truce pact they have. For me, Jim seems like a real douche so I would be glad to see him go.

At first, the whole hippie Dharma thing wasn't bothering me as much as it was Cerpts but once Horace pulled that Circle of Trust bullshit on Miles, I got really annoyed. It just seems so lame to me. If Sawyer is already in the circle of trust, I then wonder what exactly does Sawyer know about the Swan and Orchid? Or any other shady thing the DI is doing. That could be very helpful for the 815'ers down the road. And possibly for the hostiles if the 815'ers join forces with Richard and company.

Cerpts, you should listen to the Darlton podcasts. They are usually insightful and the two of them are hilarious. I believe they are on abc.com.

Fink Master Flash said...

Oh, almost forgot. Juliettes' line of 'Well, here we go.' seemed awfuly suspicous to me. Does she know what is gonna happen? It had that sort of vibe to it where Juliette has been waiting for the shit to hit the fan and it now has.

Cerpts said...

Just slow freeze framed the the Samantha Mathis classroom scene from MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN and it definitely ISN'T Sawyer. Or let me rephrase that: it definitely isn't Josh Holloway. We only ever see the longish haired blond guy running past the window from the back and extreme profile but the facial structure of the man doesn't match Josh Holloway: he's got roundish chubbier cheeks than Sawyer. Of course, this may be MEANT to be Sawyer but, in Season 3, TPTB maybe didn't want it to be TOO obvious that it was Sawyer running past. However, it definitely isn't Josh Holloway.

Cerpts said...

Actually take another look at this same scene. Not only is there a Sawyer lookalike in it but also a Kate and a Jack lookalike. Freeze frame advancing the scene, before the "Sawyer-alike" appears we see a woman with dark hair pulled back in a ponytail holding a gun and behind her (to the left of the screen) we can just glimpse a man with closely cropped short dark hair run offscreen; this "reads" as looking very much like Jack from the back of his head. The woman, obviously NOT Kate since we see her face and the camera lingers on her for a relatively long time -- is facing screen right when the Sawyer-lookalike runs into frame and they both run off in the same direction as the Jack-alike. Since all three characters resemble Sawyer, Jack and Kate, can it just be a coincidence or are we MEANT to "read" them as these three Losties?

Coincidence? Or bullshit?!?

Cheeks DaBelly said...

I think it is a case of "make it look like them but it's not them and we can go back and say that we had all of this planned from the beginning and even say it was them all along".

OR:

"Brabblefrapp"

it's one of them two

Cerpts said...

My vote is for brabblefrap.

That and I thought you needed ANOTHER comment here because you were at 13 and somebody might be suffering from triskecerptsaphobia.

Cerpts said...

Oh and don't worry. . .there is already a Best of Top Gear Cerpts waiting for you, Cheeky Weekies...

Cheeks DaBelly said...

YAY!!! I guess that means it is a DVD certps?