Monday, February 16, 2009

Some Of Your Yin Got On My Yang

Smoke monster, the Temple, the “incident“, statues with four toes, etc, you get the idea. We have many mysteries yet to be solved and one of the mysteries that is at the top of the list for many viewers of LOST, including myself, is those two skeletons inside of the caves. In the episode “House of the Rising Sun” way back in season 1, we all remember Jack and Kate finding the skeletal remains of two long dead island inhabitants who were later given the monikers “Adam and Eve’ by John Locke. On the bodies Jack found one black rock and one white rock. As far as we know those two rocks are still in Jack’s possession. The answer to the question “Who were (are) Adam and Eve?” can be answered simply by saying we will know when we know (if we are to know that is) and since I believe Jack is still in possession of the two stones or rocks that he has something to do with the bodies. Some speculate that he will hold onto the stones and he and Kate will be the last of the survivors alive on the island. Upon Kate’s death he will put one of the stones with her and when he dies (both bodies look to have died around the same time) he will have the other stone. I have never been a big believer in Adam and Eve being Kate and Jack.




I said in a past post that I believe at some point Aaron and Ji Yeon will make it to the island. Sun even foreshadows that a few episodes ago when she said to Kate something like it would be nice to see the two children playing together someday. Upon making it to the island they will have a bond formed from their pasts and everything their island families have gone through. They will be the last of the 815 survivors legacy and they will die together. Due to the island time jumps they will die long before 815 crashed. All of this is dependant on them going to the island eventually. Now I am in the camp of those that think the island has stopped jumping and where the island stopped the survivors are in the islands past. Quite possibly at the very beginning of the Dharma initiative days. This doesn't entirely fit in that Aaron and Ji Yeon would therefore be about 3 or 4 when they come back to the island in the early 1970’s. 815 crashes some thirty years later and the bodies are already very decomposed. Jack even says that the bodies appear to have been there for about 40 or 50 years. So what does all of that mean? Well it means I’m hedging my bets. I’m back on the fence. I’m not really sure who Adam and Eve are. Or am I?



I did some digging and discovered that TPTB stated that in the episode “Not In Portland” there is an anagram in the Room 23 video. The speculation is the anagram is the “only fools are enslaved by time and space” line spoken in reversed speech in the video Karl is being forced to watch. I’ll get back to that later. The sticking point is let’s take Jack at his word and the bodies have been there for 40 to 50 years. Given the year of the crash is 2004 we go back 40 to 50 years to about the mid 50’s. For the sake of arguing lets say the year is 1954. Where the hell did I pull that date from? Well, I pulled it from the Jughead episode. I only have what is said by the time jumpers to go on here so we know that somewhere during their island skipping they made a stop off in 1954. What else do we know? We know that Jin is and has been skipping along with the rest of the left behinds. Not with them on the island but they are together on the island in what ever time they jump to. We see that when Montand looses his arm from the smoke monster everything moves on the island in tune with the passing of time and when Jin jumps a few months into the future the arm has begun to decay as it would be expected to. Although the island is jumping whatever happened at any given point in island history is kept faithfully attuned to the exact moment it happened. Now here comes the rest of my theory and for that we have to move on but keep the Jughead episode in the back of you mind.

We have only seen one person in the group of left behinds die, and that’s Charlotte. We don’t really know when the island is when she dies we also don’t know if the island has stopped jumping now that Locke has reset the islands parking break but I’m going with that it has. When they are when it stops we still don’t know but like I said I’m guessing somewhere in the beginning of the Dharma day. So somewhere, Charlotte is dead and buried, I would assume, sometime in the 1970’s. Even though technically Charlotte, who we know has been on the island before and her parents were members of Dharma, may or may not have even been born yet when the island stops jumping but none of that matters here. The end of Charlotte’s life has nothing to do with the beginning of her life. Nothing has occurred (yet) that would change her life path to it's conclusion. She is born, and with her parents is on the island sometime during the Dharma days. I don’t know how old Charlotte is so I won’t guess which years she was on the island and when her mother took her off of the island. None of that matters only that her life ends on the island in what I am speculating here to be sometime in the early 70’s. Therefore she will decompose as any body would have decomposed if it had been born, lived however many years she lived, then died in the seventies, and was buried. If, in 2004 the survivors were to have found her grave it would look like any other grave would look from the 1970’s.



What the hell am I talking about? A grave belonging to Charlotte from the 1970’s does not have anything to do with Adam and Eve, does it? No, Charlotte is not Eve. So what am I trying to do here? All I am trying to get across is that for the sake of future prosperity, it would appear that Charlotte died in the mid 1970’s if her body was ever to be found in present day island time. If we can all agree on that and I know I’m asking you to take a small leap of faith in believing all of my suppositions in this theory but if you can’t take a leap of faith at this point in the show, well, to quote John Locke; “Where would the fun be in that?”.

So all of this takes us back to the time jump when they are on the island during the Jughead episode. We know it is 1954, two years before John Locke is born in 1956. 48 years before the crash of flight 815. Fits perfectly in with the theory Jack has that the bodies of Adam and Eve have been there for 40 to 50 years.

Let's have a place for everyone and find everyone in their place for a moment. While Daniel is checking out the Jughead bomb and telling Elle they have to bury it in the ground surrounded by cement, Locke is trying to convince Richard he is from the future and he tells Richard to go find him two years from now when he is born in 1956. Sawyer? He’s with them trying to save Daniel and then later trying to figure out what to do next. Sawyer is not Adam. Juliette is there too trying to calm the situation when Sawyer has his gun on Elle. Juliette is not Eve. Daniel and Miles are fine so neither one of them is Adam. And speaking of Miles, why the hell don't they take him into the cave so he can communicate with Adam and Eve and find out who they are? But I digress. Locke isn’t either, we know when he dies and it ain’t in a cave on the island. We know it can’t be Charlotte either, I’ve already cleared that up. Well as best as we can clear up anything in all of this that is! I would imagine there is still a few red shirts running around out there somewhere but we know it’s not going to be just anybody that ends up being Adam and Eve, the mythology of the island is to big for it to be no name characters. We only have two people left and oddly enough they haven’t been heard from since we saw the flaming arrows on the beach.



Let’s assume that Rose and Bernard ran for cover after the flaming arrows incident and let’s say they took cover in a place where they felt safe. The caves. I won’t speculate on how they die but let’s just say they are scared, maybe already feeling the effects of the time jumping sickness and one thing leads to another and they die. Somehow. Right then in 1954. In the caves. One man and one woman. A white man and a black woman.



Now let’s time skip ourselves and go back into Room 23, specifically back to the anagram that is rumored to be in the video. “Only fools are enslaved by time and space.” is what I am targeting as where the anagram lies. The anagram is worked out to be: “bones of nadlers may lay lost deep in cave.”. Rose and Bernard’s last name is Nadler. Assuming that the O6 are going back to the island and the island is stuck in the 1970’s it is quite possible that Jack will eventually go looking for Rose and Bernard and he will find them dead in the caves and will give them the white and black stones that he has, for some reason, carried back with him to the island for himself to find nearly 30 years later.


That’s my story and I’m sticking to it! Rose and Bernard = Adam and Eve. Comments?

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

YES. i also believe adam and eve are rose and bernard, though i hadn't figured out that anagram, nor seen anyone figure it out - good job.
and it pans out even when they were crashed there in 2004, because they never actually went to the caves, so they never saw their decomposed selves (and so never went crazy, like the bunny).

Anonymous said...

oh and yeah, it makes sense that jack would give them the black and white stones 'cause he would realize they are "adam and eve" and know he needed to give the stones back to them, so he could find them in the future. woo, time travel.

Cheeks DaBelly said...

Time travel rocks when written well. Rose and Bernard never were in the caves before? I don't think I realized that. Rose never went to the caves in the first two seasons? Hmmm now that I think about it I don't remember her being there. Wait she had to be there when the cave collapses and traps Jack and Charlie? See this is why I am glad I got the got the DVDs. I didn't figure out the anagram either by the way, I found it on Lostpedia.

Cerpts said...

Speaking of anagrams -- what kind of anagram do you get when you look at the names on the side of the van that Ben was driving in last week's episode?

Cerpts said...

I belatedly just left another comment on your Little Prince post but, for convenience sake, I'll put it here as well. Finkster mentions the "island next to the island" in that comment string so I commented:

"I've still never gotten that whole "island next to the island" thing since we've never seen it before or since. I really don't think it's always there (surely someone would have seen it before or since the "events" involving Sawyer's hike with Ben and the bunny etc. "Whatsamatter? Don't you read?!?" Especially when we see the island "move" at the end of last seasons, we don't see two islands -- only one. Could the so-called "island next to the island" be in fact the island itself somehow popped from another period in time to sit next to the island when Ben and the Others needed it to???"

Seriously, any island next to our island (and close enough to paddle across to in a little boat) would surely be visible in the arial shot of the island "moving" or be noticed by the freighter, the helicopter of freighter folks flying to and fro as well as the 815ers and their several boats they've managed to pick up here and there (including the catamaran thang, the Oracle, Penny's boat that Desmond took for a drunken joyride, etc.). What's the deal with this "island next to the island" thing anyway and why has it never been mentioned by all the LOST theorists/examiners?

Huh??? Huh???

Cerpts said...

And wait a minute -- wasn't Alex blown away by Keamy?!?!? Then why the heck is Alex commenting on this blog?!?!? More time travel hijinx???????????????

Cheeks DaBelly said...

The name on the van anagrams into reincarnation. Something I posted about 3 months ago when they were filming the episode.

Anonymous said...

while jack and some other people were moving to the caves, rose was very adamant about staying on the beach, to wait for bernard, amirite? and, if she did go, at least to help get jack and charlie out, she still wouldn't have seen her own corpse since the cave was collapsed.

time travel hijinx, indeed.
or, i'm a ghost. boooooo!
or, i'm just some girl in jersey.

Cerpts said...

That is how I seem to remember it as well -- that Rose adamantly remained on the beach while waiting for Bernard to return. Of course, I haven't looked at the DVD again -- maybe one of these days...

Oh, and c'mon . . . NOBODY actually LIVES in Jersey!!!!!

Fink Master Flash said...

Wow, nicely done Cheeks. I love reading your blog and your in depth theories.

Cerpts,
That is a good point about the island next to an island. What if, indeed, it is the 'island' just popping up next to itself. I like that idea.

Anonymous said...

It's a really good theory but I hope to god it's not true. I would really hate for Rose and Bernard's story to end like that. They're such nice, likable characters :(